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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but for so many years I have read, &quot;Have more sex with your husband...&quot;, and it is all ok on the surface, but there is so much more to it. For example, do people realize that the pill kills a woman&#039;s libido? Menopause can, as well. And other illnesses and hormone imbalances. Also, In Proverbs it says that a man who sleeps around destroys his own soul. I believe that includes men who do porn, masturbate, whatever is not natural to creation. A destroyed soul (mind, will, emotions) cannot be reasoned with, and cannot be &#039;helped&#039;. I was married to my first husband for 25 years, for most of it not really realizing that he had a sexual addiction (masturbating every day, lying on the floor looking up our daughters&#039; skirts, thinking of it all the time to the point of being annoyed if anyone wanted to talk to him or needed anything from him). I &#039;gave&#039; him sex almost every day of those years, partly because I was &#039;supposed to&#039;, but I also enjoyed it, and wanted to serve him and my Lord. Even through having and caring for 7 children, numerous foster children, and three adopted, home-educating them all, and being very ill for quite a few of those years. However, he became increasingly verbally and emotionally abusive. It was never enough, though he never innitiated sex, it was always me. After 22 years, I cried out to the Lord (again), and He led me to 1Peter 3 &amp; 4, and told me what to do. I went to my husband and said, &quot;The Lord told me that you can have all the sex you want. According to scripture, there are two kinds of marriage relationships. The master-slave kind, and the Christ-church kind. You are to choose which one you want. If the first, then you tell me what you want and when, and I&#039;ll lie down and let you at me, if the second, you need to win me back, as we love Him because He first loved us. My affection for you is all gone due to your unkindness to me, I&#039;m sorry.&quot; He was too proud to do either, so we were in the same house three more years and never had sex again, until he took me to the Psych ward of the hospital and I was there 10 days. The doc only let me out when he had talked with my husband and then waited till I had made arrangements not to live with him again. 
    I remarried many years later, then after a couple years menopause hit, libido GONE almost overnight. I immediately found a good doc who is learned in bio-edentical hormones, got the blood tests, skin cream prescriptions, and things got MUCH better again in the area of libido, not to mention hot flashes, bladder control, memory problems, etc. 
    However, this second husband has also had a porn problem despite having sex even more often than HE wants. (hey, I like it, does there seem to be something wrong with that? :) )However, he seems to be willing to deal with issues and change, which makes all the difference. I&#039;m just saying, lots of sex isn&#039;t the answer. A true relationship with the Lord is, and then that will likely follow anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but for so many years I have read, &#8220;Have more sex with your husband&#8230;&#8221;, and it is all ok on the surface, but there is so much more to it. For example, do people realize that the pill kills a woman&#8217;s libido? Menopause can, as well. And other illnesses and hormone imbalances. Also, In Proverbs it says that a man who sleeps around destroys his own soul. I believe that includes men who do porn, masturbate, whatever is not natural to creation. A destroyed soul (mind, will, emotions) cannot be reasoned with, and cannot be &#8216;helped&#8217;. I was married to my first husband for 25 years, for most of it not really realizing that he had a sexual addiction (masturbating every day, lying on the floor looking up our daughters&#8217; skirts, thinking of it all the time to the point of being annoyed if anyone wanted to talk to him or needed anything from him). I &#8216;gave&#8217; him sex almost every day of those years, partly because I was &#8216;supposed to&#8217;, but I also enjoyed it, and wanted to serve him and my Lord. Even through having and caring for 7 children, numerous foster children, and three adopted, home-educating them all, and being very ill for quite a few of those years. However, he became increasingly verbally and emotionally abusive. It was never enough, though he never innitiated sex, it was always me. After 22 years, I cried out to the Lord (again), and He led me to 1Peter 3 &amp; 4, and told me what to do. I went to my husband and said, &#8220;The Lord told me that you can have all the sex you want. According to scripture, there are two kinds of marriage relationships. The master-slave kind, and the Christ-church kind. You are to choose which one you want. If the first, then you tell me what you want and when, and I&#8217;ll lie down and let you at me, if the second, you need to win me back, as we love Him because He first loved us. My affection for you is all gone due to your unkindness to me, I&#8217;m sorry.&#8221; He was too proud to do either, so we were in the same house three more years and never had sex again, until he took me to the Psych ward of the hospital and I was there 10 days. The doc only let me out when he had talked with my husband and then waited till I had made arrangements not to live with him again.<br />
    I remarried many years later, then after a couple years menopause hit, libido GONE almost overnight. I immediately found a good doc who is learned in bio-edentical hormones, got the blood tests, skin cream prescriptions, and things got MUCH better again in the area of libido, not to mention hot flashes, bladder control, memory problems, etc.<br />
    However, this second husband has also had a porn problem despite having sex even more often than HE wants. (hey, I like it, does there seem to be something wrong with that? <img src='http://www.laughyourway.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )However, he seems to be willing to deal with issues and change, which makes all the difference. I&#8217;m just saying, lots of sex isn&#8217;t the answer. A true relationship with the Lord is, and then that will likely follow anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the post--it was very insightful. However, I&#039;m having a huge issue with the last paragraph--it doesn&#039;t address the needs of women in leadership and in ministry. As women pastors, as women leaders, there is a huge support needed from husbands. We are more nurturing in nature and can become drained and left wanting if there is not support in the home. I wish that this would be addressed more, rather than just implying that our sole need is to provide sex for our husbands. For a female pastor with a husband not in ministry, or even in ministry, there are precautions that can be taken mutually that leave the woman feeling supported, safe and secure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the post&#8211;it was very insightful. However, I&#8217;m having a huge issue with the last paragraph&#8211;it doesn&#8217;t address the needs of women in leadership and in ministry. As women pastors, as women leaders, there is a huge support needed from husbands. We are more nurturing in nature and can become drained and left wanting if there is not support in the home. I wish that this would be addressed more, rather than just implying that our sole need is to provide sex for our husbands. For a female pastor with a husband not in ministry, or even in ministry, there are precautions that can be taken mutually that leave the woman feeling supported, safe and secure.</p>
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		<title>By: D. A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mark.
I am grateful that you are willing to speak about the most insidious of temptations in ministry. 
How naieve aand arrogant we are to think that this cannot happen. The destrtuction of a church family and body is extensive when this reality is ignored and it takes years to recover from the damage. 
Leadership must lead by walking in maturity and humilty, admitting how very easily this could happen to anyone, male or female. Churches and entire communities are broken because of its great destruction. 
Blessing upon you, your family and your team for stepping up to the plate to address openly a very powerful tool of the enemy.
God bless you richly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mark.<br />
I am grateful that you are willing to speak about the most insidious of temptations in ministry.<br />
How naieve aand arrogant we are to think that this cannot happen. The destrtuction of a church family and body is extensive when this reality is ignored and it takes years to recover from the damage.<br />
Leadership must lead by walking in maturity and humilty, admitting how very easily this could happen to anyone, male or female. Churches and entire communities are broken because of its great destruction.<br />
Blessing upon you, your family and your team for stepping up to the plate to address openly a very powerful tool of the enemy.<br />
God bless you richly!</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such an important issue that needs to be addressed more often. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an important issue that needs to be addressed more often. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Km</title>
		<link>http://www.laughyourway.com/blog/ministry-can-be-sensual/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Km</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smart Woman</description>
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		<title>By: Km</title>
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		<dc:creator>Km</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leann, Last fall my husband and I went through a marriage class throught the 2=1 ministeries. It was fabulous. THe best thing it did was
put us on the same page in a lot of areas and gave us several tools for a successful marriage. One of the biggest things was understanding covenant. Covenant marriage means that we are all in and it is based on what &quot;I said&quot; not &quot;HIS/Her actions&quot;. IF we marry under contract then we give ourselves an out.  check out 2=1.com it will change your lives. It so goes along with pastor Marks teachings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leann, Last fall my husband and I went through a marriage class throught the 2=1 ministeries. It was fabulous. THe best thing it did was<br />
put us on the same page in a lot of areas and gave us several tools for a successful marriage. One of the biggest things was understanding covenant. Covenant marriage means that we are all in and it is based on what &#8220;I said&#8221; not &#8220;HIS/Her actions&#8221;. IF we marry under contract then we give ourselves an out.  check out 2=1.com it will change your lives. It so goes along with pastor Marks teachings.</p>
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		<title>By: Leann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Lisa,

All I can say is wow! Thank you for your honesty and for sharing.  Sadly, I can see myself in the exact same situation as you describe.  I don&#039;t want to ruin anyone&#039;s life (my family, his family, his ministry) yet here I am struggling with the situation.  I&#039;m finding it very difficult to keep control of my thought life...staying clean.  Nothing physical has happened, but I see we&#039;re playing with fire.  Because of this, I recently opened up to my husband about the fact that I&#039;ve had some inappropriate conversations with the pastor (nothing outrageuous, but inappropriate nonetheless).  He is very upset with me, watches me like a hawk and has basically crucified me.  This makes me very angry as I have not done anything in the realm of his multiple betrayls.  Though extremely childish and selfish, a part of me feels like I&#039;m glad he sees how it feels to be mistreated.  Even sadder, I&#039;m now concerned that he will feel that my indiscretion now gives him the green light to go back to his old ways.  It&#039;s all really messed up and I&#039;m upset with myself for getting myself in this ridiculous situation.  I would have never thought this in my wildest dreams...that&#039;s why I know it&#039;s the enemy.  I have to just get back up and get back inline, praying and trusting that God will me through this.  Please pray with me for strength and courage to move where ever God wants me to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Lisa,</p>
<p>All I can say is wow! Thank you for your honesty and for sharing.  Sadly, I can see myself in the exact same situation as you describe.  I don&#8217;t want to ruin anyone&#8217;s life (my family, his family, his ministry) yet here I am struggling with the situation.  I&#8217;m finding it very difficult to keep control of my thought life&#8230;staying clean.  Nothing physical has happened, but I see we&#8217;re playing with fire.  Because of this, I recently opened up to my husband about the fact that I&#8217;ve had some inappropriate conversations with the pastor (nothing outrageuous, but inappropriate nonetheless).  He is very upset with me, watches me like a hawk and has basically crucified me.  This makes me very angry as I have not done anything in the realm of his multiple betrayls.  Though extremely childish and selfish, a part of me feels like I&#8217;m glad he sees how it feels to be mistreated.  Even sadder, I&#8217;m now concerned that he will feel that my indiscretion now gives him the green light to go back to his old ways.  It&#8217;s all really messed up and I&#8217;m upset with myself for getting myself in this ridiculous situation.  I would have never thought this in my wildest dreams&#8230;that&#8217;s why I know it&#8217;s the enemy.  I have to just get back up and get back inline, praying and trusting that God will me through this.  Please pray with me for strength and courage to move where ever God wants me to be.</p>
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		<title>By: STEPcoach</title>
		<link>http://www.laughyourway.com/blog/ministry-can-be-sensual/comment-page-1/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>STEPcoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alyssa: I think you&#039;re right that women appreciate having a man compartmentalize their emotional dilemmas for them. As a Christian family mediator, I am often approached by wives or ex-wives wanting me to help them get a message across to their mate or ex so they can begin solving the problems. I rarely meet with these women without their spouse or ex (that&#039;s the whole purpose of mediation, to get THEM communicating), but in initial sessions we do sometimes meet alone. On those occasions I always alert two of the secretaries at the church to help me by &quot;patrolling&quot; past the half-window door to my meeting room several times where the client can see them. This gives me two safeties: the secretaries can bear witness that nothing untoward happened; and the client feels safer knowing other women are nearby.
It&#039;s a dangerous (and litigious) world out there, so we have to be careful to protect ourselves and our reputations - but we also have a responsibility to serve hurting families. Balance and being &quot;wise as a serpent but harmless as doves&quot; are key to doing it right.
STEPcoach.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alyssa: I think you&#8217;re right that women appreciate having a man compartmentalize their emotional dilemmas for them. As a Christian family mediator, I am often approached by wives or ex-wives wanting me to help them get a message across to their mate or ex so they can begin solving the problems. I rarely meet with these women without their spouse or ex (that&#8217;s the whole purpose of mediation, to get THEM communicating), but in initial sessions we do sometimes meet alone. On those occasions I always alert two of the secretaries at the church to help me by &#8220;patrolling&#8221; past the half-window door to my meeting room several times where the client can see them. This gives me two safeties: the secretaries can bear witness that nothing untoward happened; and the client feels safer knowing other women are nearby.<br />
It&#8217;s a dangerous (and litigious) world out there, so we have to be careful to protect ourselves and our reputations &#8211; but we also have a responsibility to serve hurting families. Balance and being &#8220;wise as a serpent but harmless as doves&#8221; are key to doing it right.<br />
STEPcoach.com</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good advice for ones who are struggling with temptation.  However, I disagree somewhat.

My past unfortunately includes an affair on my part several years ago, with my new boss and freshly widowed pastor while I was his secretary at the church.  I have suffered (and still suffer) terribly from this ordeal, which eventually led to my family leaving the church I was raised in and had served so well and loved so much (and where some of my family STILL attend).

I am convinced that my experience is not uncommon or unique!  However, had I chosen to be honest about my developing feelings with him either with someone inside the church (elder perhaps) or my ever-emotionally estranged husband (albeit still &quot;together&quot; if only in the physical location sense), prior to deepening my involvement with this individual, I could have spared a lot of people a lot of pain, especially myself.

What I envisioned to be the worst thing in the world (confessing these feelings, leaving the church) would have been WAY better than what happened, which was a 1 1/2 year affair in secrecy; out-of-the-blue the pastor leaving his position (and the church) COMPLETELY unexplained to me; guilt &amp; shame like you wouldn&#039;t BELIEVE over what I perceived to be MY FAULT EXCLUSIVELY that this very gifted and effective pastor, teacher, and leader had resigned.

I internally and emotionally took (and carried for a long time) 100% of the blame for the complete loss of their beloved pastor, who had pretty much turned around and grown this struggling church, which was by then thriving.  Unbeknownst to me, his resignation had to do with another affair from his past (while his wife was still living) which had surfaced.  I knew nothing of this at the time.

Trapped into a position with NO explanation (or contact with me incidentally FROM that pastor), NO WAY OUT.  At that point the church, more than ever, needed my organizational and administrative skills to pull them through, and the youth pastor (moving into replacement), who was not very administratively inclined :&gt;), truly needed me to help deal with the aftermath of this blow and carry on the ministries of the church in the midst of the shock.

My marriage relationship was so non-existent at that time, that confessing was out of the question, if for no more reason than for my childrens&#039; sakes and the effect that would inevitably have on their lives.  Had I confessed, someone would be hurt, lives destroyed even (my kids, husband, the pastor, etc).  The affair was over and I kept it like a &quot;thorn in my side,&quot; viewing that as the most unselfish thing to do.  I kept that hurt and carried it for a long time.  Never was there a person in more torment, more trapped.
 
After a period of a few months, the pastor returned as a parishioner and resumed attendance, eventually marrying our close friend (newly divorced) who had worked very closely in the ministry with us through it all, furthering my torment (she had origins at the same church as him).  I had become removed from her and was deeply grieving this friendship loss as well, as she also was coincidentally scarce in the church, and her volunteering, during his departure and the aftermath.  Rumors abounded, which I stoically refused to believe at the time.  I just kept picking up the pieces of the church, even as the pieces of my heart continued to fall, long after I didn&#039;t think there were any fragments left!

During the months after his departure and up to and including &quot;their&quot; return to the church, I endured CONSTANT conversations, exposure, etc. within the realms of my job from church members and visitors to the office about reasons for his resignation, rumors about their relationship, his possible return to the ministry and steps necessary for him, proper/improper way he dealt with it all, etc., etc., etc.  All while trying to hide my knowledge of our deception and betrayal.

(To complicate things even further, my sister had become the secretary at the nearby church where these two individuals had originally come from, and where the original and alleged affair with someone else had actually transpired.  I also endured hearing innocently and totally unknowingly from her at the time, about specific indicents, including the feelings of that woman&#039;s family members, and all the rumors at that church as well!)

God performs miracles.  It is no small miracle at all that I am even here today after all of that.  I know he kept me alive during some pretty isolated and suicidal times, maybe just for people and situations like this!  (depression, 98 pounds, enough said!)

God worked immensely through the Youth Pastor and his wife and they ministered INCREDIBLY to me after God revealed this situation to them.  Eventually I confessed to my husband (who unbelievably forgave me, no questions asked!), then to family members, to the church elders, and to the Conference Minister.  That youth pastor, a year or so later, was asked to resign, which (although unfairly executed) provided the opportunity for me to leave it all behind.  At that point, 1 1/4 years later, my family left that church forever.

I see that pastor&#039;s resignation as the gift of God that it was, the answer to my many fervent prayers to remove me from my conflicted soul while in the affair, and the forced resignation of the second pastor as the freedom I so desired and prayed for at that time.

I liken my experience to my first car accident - I was a young driver and slid on the snowy road going around a corner, crossing the opposite lane of traffic, hitting a parked truck head-on, on the other side of the road, just as two men got into it.  I remember thinking as I was skidding, &quot;pump the brakes, pump the brakes, pump the brakes!&quot; (This was before anti-lock braking).  But I did NOT do it.
 - DO YOU KNOW WHY I DIDN&#039;T PUMP MY BRAKES?  Because I remembered thinking that anything coming in the opposite direction would head-on collide with me.  There was nothing coming in the opposite direction!!!!  I totally could have avoided the entire accident!

Everything in dangerous situations happens so fast, it seems.  
When you later reflect on your thoughts and feelings, sometimes it reveals the foolishness of them.  Confession of feelings is better than confession of actions taken on them!  There are no consequences like your betrayal of others, except the betrayal of your very self!



Causing to Sin 
 42&quot;And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.[c] 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.[d] 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where 
   &quot; &#039;their worm does not die, 
      and the fire is not quenched.&#039;[e] 49Everyone will be salted with fire. 
 50&quot;Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other.&quot;



It is not possible for me to be at peace with that pastor and see him the same way, knowing the way he chose to deal with things (hiding, cowardice).  I have forgiven him for the betrayal, the affair, the exclusion, etc.  The one thing I continue to struggle with forgiving is the hiding of the sin, and continuing to act as if nothing happened, instead of coming forward and confessing, confronting, and allowing God&#039;s cleansing to take place in the situation.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get out of that church!  Read the above scripture again.  It will be very difficult for you to see that pastor differently on your own.  It would be better to find a way to leave the church.  If you don&#039;t, you are playing with fire.  It is difficult enough in today&#039;s world, in a STRONG marriage (which I STILL do not consider myself to have), to resist having feelings for someone else - even more so if you are in a struggling one and have experienced betryal, as you say you have.  I believe (and have experienced) that only God can change our feelings for our spouses.  And for others.  But it will not be without cost.

Please don&#039;t be offended by any of this.  I have suffered greatly through my experience and wanted to share for the possible benefit of someone else.  Believe me when I tell you, I was the LAST person to have thought of having an affair.  It came out the blue, completely unexpected.  I am the one who knew that if anything ever happened to my husband, God forbid, that I would NEVER get involved with another man EVER again, the hurt was (and is still) so great in my marital relationship.

I have learned since how really vulnerable we ALL are, and how to more effectively get things out in the open (especially my feelings), regardless of how they will be perceived or reacted to.  You see, the alternative is so unacceptable, so despicable, that there is no excuse or reason to not be forthright and open and brutally honest in all that we do, especially our marriages.  The church is the one place on earth we should be able to live that way.

Please ponder all this, and pray about it, and most of all be blessed by it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good advice for ones who are struggling with temptation.  However, I disagree somewhat.</p>
<p>My past unfortunately includes an affair on my part several years ago, with my new boss and freshly widowed pastor while I was his secretary at the church.  I have suffered (and still suffer) terribly from this ordeal, which eventually led to my family leaving the church I was raised in and had served so well and loved so much (and where some of my family STILL attend).</p>
<p>I am convinced that my experience is not uncommon or unique!  However, had I chosen to be honest about my developing feelings with him either with someone inside the church (elder perhaps) or my ever-emotionally estranged husband (albeit still &#8220;together&#8221; if only in the physical location sense), prior to deepening my involvement with this individual, I could have spared a lot of people a lot of pain, especially myself.</p>
<p>What I envisioned to be the worst thing in the world (confessing these feelings, leaving the church) would have been WAY better than what happened, which was a 1 1/2 year affair in secrecy; out-of-the-blue the pastor leaving his position (and the church) COMPLETELY unexplained to me; guilt &amp; shame like you wouldn&#8217;t BELIEVE over what I perceived to be MY FAULT EXCLUSIVELY that this very gifted and effective pastor, teacher, and leader had resigned.</p>
<p>I internally and emotionally took (and carried for a long time) 100% of the blame for the complete loss of their beloved pastor, who had pretty much turned around and grown this struggling church, which was by then thriving.  Unbeknownst to me, his resignation had to do with another affair from his past (while his wife was still living) which had surfaced.  I knew nothing of this at the time.</p>
<p>Trapped into a position with NO explanation (or contact with me incidentally FROM that pastor), NO WAY OUT.  At that point the church, more than ever, needed my organizational and administrative skills to pull them through, and the youth pastor (moving into replacement), who was not very administratively inclined :&gt;), truly needed me to help deal with the aftermath of this blow and carry on the ministries of the church in the midst of the shock.</p>
<p>My marriage relationship was so non-existent at that time, that confessing was out of the question, if for no more reason than for my childrens&#8217; sakes and the effect that would inevitably have on their lives.  Had I confessed, someone would be hurt, lives destroyed even (my kids, husband, the pastor, etc).  The affair was over and I kept it like a &#8220;thorn in my side,&#8221; viewing that as the most unselfish thing to do.  I kept that hurt and carried it for a long time.  Never was there a person in more torment, more trapped.</p>
<p>After a period of a few months, the pastor returned as a parishioner and resumed attendance, eventually marrying our close friend (newly divorced) who had worked very closely in the ministry with us through it all, furthering my torment (she had origins at the same church as him).  I had become removed from her and was deeply grieving this friendship loss as well, as she also was coincidentally scarce in the church, and her volunteering, during his departure and the aftermath.  Rumors abounded, which I stoically refused to believe at the time.  I just kept picking up the pieces of the church, even as the pieces of my heart continued to fall, long after I didn&#8217;t think there were any fragments left!</p>
<p>During the months after his departure and up to and including &#8220;their&#8221; return to the church, I endured CONSTANT conversations, exposure, etc. within the realms of my job from church members and visitors to the office about reasons for his resignation, rumors about their relationship, his possible return to the ministry and steps necessary for him, proper/improper way he dealt with it all, etc., etc., etc.  All while trying to hide my knowledge of our deception and betrayal.</p>
<p>(To complicate things even further, my sister had become the secretary at the nearby church where these two individuals had originally come from, and where the original and alleged affair with someone else had actually transpired.  I also endured hearing innocently and totally unknowingly from her at the time, about specific indicents, including the feelings of that woman&#8217;s family members, and all the rumors at that church as well!)</p>
<p>God performs miracles.  It is no small miracle at all that I am even here today after all of that.  I know he kept me alive during some pretty isolated and suicidal times, maybe just for people and situations like this!  (depression, 98 pounds, enough said!)</p>
<p>God worked immensely through the Youth Pastor and his wife and they ministered INCREDIBLY to me after God revealed this situation to them.  Eventually I confessed to my husband (who unbelievably forgave me, no questions asked!), then to family members, to the church elders, and to the Conference Minister.  That youth pastor, a year or so later, was asked to resign, which (although unfairly executed) provided the opportunity for me to leave it all behind.  At that point, 1 1/4 years later, my family left that church forever.</p>
<p>I see that pastor&#8217;s resignation as the gift of God that it was, the answer to my many fervent prayers to remove me from my conflicted soul while in the affair, and the forced resignation of the second pastor as the freedom I so desired and prayed for at that time.</p>
<p>I liken my experience to my first car accident &#8211; I was a young driver and slid on the snowy road going around a corner, crossing the opposite lane of traffic, hitting a parked truck head-on, on the other side of the road, just as two men got into it.  I remember thinking as I was skidding, &#8220;pump the brakes, pump the brakes, pump the brakes!&#8221; (This was before anti-lock braking).  But I did NOT do it.<br />
 &#8211; DO YOU KNOW WHY I DIDN&#8217;T PUMP MY BRAKES?  Because I remembered thinking that anything coming in the opposite direction would head-on collide with me.  There was nothing coming in the opposite direction!!!!  I totally could have avoided the entire accident!</p>
<p>Everything in dangerous situations happens so fast, it seems.<br />
When you later reflect on your thoughts and feelings, sometimes it reveals the foolishness of them.  Confession of feelings is better than confession of actions taken on them!  There are no consequences like your betrayal of others, except the betrayal of your very self!</p>
<p>Causing to Sin<br />
 42&#8243;And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.[c] 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.[d] 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where<br />
   &#8221; &#8216;their worm does not die,<br />
      and the fire is not quenched.&#8217;[e] 49Everyone will be salted with fire.<br />
 50&#8243;Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not possible for me to be at peace with that pastor and see him the same way, knowing the way he chose to deal with things (hiding, cowardice).  I have forgiven him for the betrayal, the affair, the exclusion, etc.  The one thing I continue to struggle with forgiving is the hiding of the sin, and continuing to act as if nothing happened, instead of coming forward and confessing, confronting, and allowing God&#8217;s cleansing to take place in the situation.</p>
<p>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get out of that church!  Read the above scripture again.  It will be very difficult for you to see that pastor differently on your own.  It would be better to find a way to leave the church.  If you don&#8217;t, you are playing with fire.  It is difficult enough in today&#8217;s world, in a STRONG marriage (which I STILL do not consider myself to have), to resist having feelings for someone else &#8211; even more so if you are in a struggling one and have experienced betryal, as you say you have.  I believe (and have experienced) that only God can change our feelings for our spouses.  And for others.  But it will not be without cost.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t be offended by any of this.  I have suffered greatly through my experience and wanted to share for the possible benefit of someone else.  Believe me when I tell you, I was the LAST person to have thought of having an affair.  It came out the blue, completely unexpected.  I am the one who knew that if anything ever happened to my husband, God forbid, that I would NEVER get involved with another man EVER again, the hurt was (and is still) so great in my marital relationship.</p>
<p>I have learned since how really vulnerable we ALL are, and how to more effectively get things out in the open (especially my feelings), regardless of how they will be perceived or reacted to.  You see, the alternative is so unacceptable, so despicable, that there is no excuse or reason to not be forthright and open and brutally honest in all that we do, especially our marriages.  The church is the one place on earth we should be able to live that way.</p>
<p>Please ponder all this, and pray about it, and most of all be blessed by it!</p>
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		<description>I must correct/clarify a statement in my previous commment.  God does not tempt people to sin, the enemy does.  Therefore, the Lord didn&#039;t order me to experience the temptation of being emotionally attracted to a man other than my husband, rather He allowed me to experience these feelings/thoughts for my ultimate benefit -- the revelation of my own vulnerability to get caught up and that I have no room casting stones at my husband because I too have sinned.  I&#039;m eternally glad the Holy Spirit kept me from progressing in my sin...God&#039;s grace and mercy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must correct/clarify a statement in my previous commment.  God does not tempt people to sin, the enemy does.  Therefore, the Lord didn&#8217;t order me to experience the temptation of being emotionally attracted to a man other than my husband, rather He allowed me to experience these feelings/thoughts for my ultimate benefit &#8212; the revelation of my own vulnerability to get caught up and that I have no room casting stones at my husband because I too have sinned.  I&#8217;m eternally glad the Holy Spirit kept me from progressing in my sin&#8230;God&#8217;s grace and mercy.</p>
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